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| Re: Openly Gay in uniform. (BassinJax) » | 11:52 PM 10/12/2009 |
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I think it will fundamentally change our military forever and once it has been changed it will be hard to undo. I think it will affect enlistment and retention. Most of the people protesting and wanting this rule change has no desire to be in the military. It is a power move and nothing else. It is very sad to see the changes taking place in our society where anything goes. Next it will be transgenders. It will be a slippery slope and will not end with just gays being allowed to serve openly. What a person does in the privacy of their own home is none of my business however when it impacts the security of our country and it will then it is my business. Sometimes I just shake my head and say to myself "what the hell is going on with our country". The changes that are taking place is staggering. When will the insanity end?
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| Re: Openly Gay in uniform. (rollman) » | 8:10 AM 10/13/2009 |
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| Quote, originally posted by rollman » | | I think it will fundamentally change our military forever and once it has been changed it will be hard to undo. I think it will affect enlistment and retention. Most of the people protesting and wanting this rule change has no desire to be in the military. It is a power move and nothing else. It is very sad to see the changes taking place in our society where anything goes. Next it will be transgenders. It will be a slippery slope and will not end with just gays being allowed to serve openly. What a person does in the privacy of their own home is none of my business however when it impacts the security of our country and it will then it is my business. Sometimes I just shake my head and say to myself "what the hell is going on with our country". The changes that are taking place is staggering. When will the insanity end? |
I think this statement is right on. The other thing that will take place is now instead of two separate showers we will need four. Yep is it right for me or my soldiers to have to shower with some guy that keeps checking them out. The same thing goes for females also. I actually had a Captain friend how had this happen to her in a shower. She said she was so unconfrontable. I have done a 15-6 investigation on this very thing and it is something we do not want. When a guy tell you he does not know if he can resist his sexual desires in the shower with follow soldiers. This goes against good conduct military discipline of a unit. 
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| Re: Openly Gay in uniform. (snake050479) » | 11:40 AM 10/13/2009 |
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| Quote, originally posted by snake050479 » | I think this statement is right on. The other thing that will take place is now instead of two separate showers we will need four. Yep is it right for me or my soldiers to have to shower with some guy that keeps checking them out. The same thing goes for females also. I actually had a Captain friend how had this happen to her in a shower. She said she was so unconfrontable. I have done a 15-6 investigation on this very thing and it is something we do not want. When a guy tell you he does not know if he can resist his sexual desires in the shower with follow soldiers. This goes against good conduct military discipline of a unit. |
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| Re: Openly Gay in uniform. (rangerguy) » | 7:46 AM 10/14/2009 |
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I see an uptick in my case load-----you know someone will get "thumped" over this.. 
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| Re: Openly Gay in uniform. (FishinCustody) » | 4:47 PM 10/14/2009 |
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The "dont ask, dont tell" policy years ago was a hard one to chew and now this. I dont agree with this change in policy and it will have an affect on the moral/discipline of our military. Thats what happens when our country votes for someone who has never served to be our commander in chief. Its sad what our country is coming to, we have some big problems.
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| Re: Openly Gay in uniform. (BassinJax) » | 11:36 AM 10/19/2009 |
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One of the worst policies to be imposed on our military. 
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| Re: Openly Gay in uniform. (rgbtr196le) » | 10:53 PM 11/13/2009 |
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| Quote, originally posted by rgbtr196le » | | The "dont ask, dont tell" policy years ago was a hard one to chew and now this. I dont agree with this change in policy and it will have an affect on the moral/discipline of our military. Thats what happens when our country votes for someone who has never served to be our commander in chief. Its sad what our country is coming to, we have some big problems. |
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| Re: Openly Gay in uniform. (Ed116) » | 12:37 PM 11/15/2009 |
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Our military has done very well, for a long time. Why change something for political reasons ? You change weapons, tactics, but not things that are not necessary. Political move, and it ain't about politics when the shooting starts.
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| Re: Openly Gay in uniform. (BassinJax) » | 5:06 PM 11/17/2009 |
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The real irony of this is that the ones who are in favor of it will be the least affected because they would be the least likely to serve. A clear case of those on the outside looking in telling us how to run things. Most of the countries that have an openly gay policy for their military...well let's just say that they are not in any position which would compell one to follow their lead. The first country to allow military service by openly gay members was The Netherlands. Now there's real trail blazer for ya! 
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| Re: Openly Gay in uniform. (snake050479) » | 4:32 PM 11/19/2009 |
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| Quote, originally posted by snake050479 » | I think this statement is right on. The other thing that will take place is now instead of two separate showers we will need four. Yep is it right for me or my soldiers to have to shower with some guy that keeps checking them out. The same thing goes for females also. I actually had a Captain friend how had this happen to her in a shower. She said she was so unconfrontable. I have done a 15-6 investigation on this very thing and it is something we do not want. When a guy tell you he does not know if he can resist his sexual desires in the shower with follow soldiers. This goes against good conduct military discipline of a unit. |
+1 I am sick of the comparison to battlefield issues. Done by people A: never in the military and B: NEVER in the fight.
I dont care who is with me in a fight
Its the in garrison BS that is the issue. As an O like Snake, we have a hard enough time with same sex roommates that are straight. DUI, underage drinking, fights, accusations of unwelcome advances....
The problem is what do you do? Put a gay person with a straight, or together? if you do that then shall we have girl guy roommates?
The list goes on and on. So the next time you hear someone start defending the policy in combat, WHO CARES about Combat. Its the Non-Combat issues. You tell me what you do when you have under 20 year old kids trying to figure out life away from everyone they love, stuck with friends they would never choose. Then you want to add a sexual element to the mix? How many of you would like that girl that that won't stop trying to ruin your life and relationships, being your roommate? Or having the guy you have ZERO interest in and are scared to be around as your roommate? Thats why its bad for good order and discipline. A rapist, murder, thief, you name it, will defend you in combat. Those BTDT understand why
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| Re: Openly Gay in uniform. (BassinJax) » | 11:48 AM 11/21/2009 |
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This is just one more little piece in the ongoing battle to destroy our country and everything it stands for. I have been following this scenario for over 20 years. I know that the powers that be want a one-world govt. and know that it cannot be put in place as long as America stands in the way. That is the reason for destroying her. Don't try to change my mind because I know what i'm talking about and believe it with all my heart. Just look at what's going on as a big jigsaw puzzle. If you put enough pieces together a picture starts to develop. The pieces are out there but you have to put them together to start seeing the picture!  JohnWhen the going gets tough, the tough go fishing!
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| Re: Openly Gay in uniform. (rollman) » | 8:26 PM 11/29/2009 |
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[QUOTE=rollman]I think it will fundamentally change our military forever and once it has been changed it will be hard to undo. I think it will affect enlistment and retention. Most of the people protesting and wanting this rule change has no desire to be in the military. It is a power move and nothing else. It is very sad to see the changes taking place in our society where anything goes. Next it will be transgenders. It will be a slippery slope and will not end with just gays being allowed to serve openly. What a person does in the privacy of their own home is none of my business however when it impacts the security of our country and it will then it is my business. I agree totally. However, I don't think serving in the military automatically makes one a good candidate for President. I would rather the President listen and take good advice from his military leaders than anything. Leave the experts to do their jobs. All he (the president) has to do is keep them between the ditches.
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| Re: Openly Gay in uniform. (BassinJax) » | 10:43 PM 12/18/2009 |
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Well, I think it stinks....But tell me what dosen't with our "Todays Government"..
I'll bet if "Patton" was able to speak on it, the president would probably listen to him. I think alot of our leaders of military haven't been heard in quiet sometime. I just can't see why all of a sudden this world is going deeper and deeper into the basket of Hell.....Pray for all "Our Troops" even if some are a little light in the pants. Merry Christmas to all!!  
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| Re: Openly Gay in uniform. (rangerguy) » | 7:48 AM 12/28/2009 |
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I think these two points of view are right on the money. With everything our nations soldiers have to deal with today .... now the goverment is going to shove this down our throats as well .... one more thing soldiers have to think & worry about ... and they don't need it.
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| Re: Openly Gay in uniform. (SF Big Dog) » | 11:30 PM 1/3/2010 |
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All true what has been said, I just can't believe that an openly gay man would even think about joining the military. I went into basic in '66 and it was hard enough w/o being tagged as gay. It would be open season on this guy no matter what the rest of the guys were ordered. I was in the Army.....but can you even imagine this guy in MARINE boot!!! Holy sh--!!!They would get a sh--load of misery from everyone, and we all know that some where, some place this person is going to get his a$$ kicked....or worse. Thats just the way it is in any branch of the military............unless they put them in a unit by themselves???????? Oh yea, I can just see it now......ain't gonna work.
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| Re: Openly Gay in uniform. (SF Big Dog) » | 1:35 AM 1/4/2010 |
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As a vet myself, this is something that needs to be put to the side. This is not the time (never imo) to be worrying about openly gay people in the service. As stated before, garrison is the place where all the non sense is going on. Young people, with some freedom, money and others with the same all around. There are plenty of issues for the co's, platoon sgt's, and team leaders to deal with, without adding this to the mix.I was at Campbell when that guy killed his lover/stripper/trans....not a cool situation at all. Not sure if anyone knew or remembered that..it did make national news if I recall.
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| Re: Openly Gay in uniform. (xranger77) » | 12:49 AM 1/6/2010 |
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I hate to say it, but I'm an NCO who would might look the other way if a gay guy got his ass whooped in my batallion. Am I wrong for it? I dunno. I guess that you have to look at it from a troop leading position. That gay soldier affects morale of the whole unit. It causes focus to shift from the mission to the soldiers sexuality. His ability to mesh well with the others, esprit de corps, and so on is compromised. The last thing I want to worry about when I'm gettin shot at, or out on patrol, is if the other soldiers in my unit are going to actually take care of this guy if something bad happens to him, or if they themselves aren't going to cause this guy some intentional harm..... Remember Pat Tillman? And he was a friggin football star! It goes without saying that 99% of the guys aren't gonna accept the gay one, and eventually comes the EO complaints, IG gets involved, someone loses pay, rank, and while the lower ranking guys feel it in their wallets, the CO, the 1SG, PSG, PL, ect..... all have a more serious problem, which is this kind of incident could cost people promotions and possibly their career... Joe can recover from an article 15 when they are just enlisted.... Once you cross that line over to NCO or Officer, that isn't something that you can take lightly. It's just not a risk I'm willing to take. We spend too much time in uncomfortable living conditions, whether it be community showers deployed, 3 weeks outside the wire, or in the barracks while at home to have to worry about ONE guy who just wanted to prove that a gay could make it in the military. It's like all these women who want to go to SF or to the Ranger Bat... Did they ever stop and think about if the soldiers that they now have to work and live with wanted them there??? Kind of selfish in my book. And mostly to either prove a point, or because their is a chip on their shoulder......
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| Re: Openly Gay in uniform. (The Doc) » | 4:51 PM 1/10/2010 |
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I love the female issue with trying to do things that other do, Infantry, Ranger, SF....I get tired of even hearing about that stuff. But, the gay thing is along the same lines imo. Same results different path
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| Re: Openly Gay in uniform. (xranger77) » | 12:18 AM 1/29/2010 |
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Homosexuality is illegal in both Iraq and Afhganistan. Will gays and lesbians legally be able to serve in any muslim country or will they be able to get out of combat duty because they are homosexual and therefore get special treatment?
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| Re: Openly Gay in uniform. (rollman) » | 10:35 PM 1/30/2010 |
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| Quote, originally posted by rollman » | | Homosexuality is illegal in both Iraq and Afhganistan. Will gays and lesbians legally be able to serve in any muslim country or will they be able to get out of combat duty because they are homosexual and therefore get special treatment? |
that poses a good question? I'm sure someone will find a lupole in the system and everything will be alright, I got to be honest I think I am going to just keep my head down, finish out my last couple of years and exit stage left, I am not sure where the Army is going and really not sure if i want to go with it at this point.
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| Re: Openly Gay in uniform. (BassinJax) » | 9:51 PM 1/31/2010 |
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I am a veteran, and I think it is a disgrace to all veterens and our country. My question is: Where is God in all this? What would Jesus do? Our country allows gays in the military, gay marriages, and abortions with many other immoral
things. Our government is taking GOD out of schools and off of coins. Back when
911 happened people were saying pray for our country, GOD bless the USA. Well,
when our country stands for everything that GOD is against, GOD is not going to
continue to bless the USA. Just look at our economy. Food For Thought. Good luck fishing this year.
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| Re: Openly Gay in uniform. (sooners1) » | 10:03 PM 1/31/2010 |
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Well said
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| Re: Openly Gay in uniform. (SF Big Dog) » | 12:04 PM 2/1/2010 |
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well as a veteran I can see if open gays are alound in be open there will be an enormus amount of assaults in the military. I don't think the military needs to deal with more controversy than they already have. They have one mission. PROTECT THIS COUNTRY. Bottom line that is it. Nothing else. So that's my .02 worthP&K Custom Baits
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