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http://www.ohiobass.org/StateT...e.htm

I plan to fish Erie this spring in my X70. Kentucky Lake is the biggest water I've been on with it so far. These guys made some critical errors but at least their X19 didn't sink.



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I remember this back when it happened... Erie is no place for mistakes.



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I would say there biggest mistake was the drift socks they attached. My X19 rear sat too low in water and on many a rough day would have waves bust over rear and flood back deck but it could be pumped out. I have always said that Xpress bilge system is poorly designed because it pumps into transom pan and if this is underwater how is water going to pump out. They need to run bilges like glass boats and pump water up and out. Glad to see they made it out alive and safe. A lesson for all of us to learn from and not have to experience.
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Hummm? Do we have a story behind how the boat ended up like this?


I added another bilge pump to mine and now have two 750's. One that comes on auto and my switch cuts on both. Never needed to use both, but they are there!!

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Hummm? Do we have a story behind how the boat ended up like this?

The story is in the link on the first post..


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I stopped at "bilge did not work".

The rest of the read would have just confirmed that your stuff should work or you need to stay at home...



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I stopped at "bilge did not work".

The rest of the read would have just confirmed that your stuff should work or you need to stay at home...

but it would work if not shorted? thats the way i read it ...

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Justin,
If you have your boat in order, the wiring is sealed up/water proof, the auto-bilge cuts on as soon as water hits the well. If you were to take on enough water to cover the batteries and short everything, then we need to make a movie of it!!!

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I was just pointing it it that's all ...I understand what your saying... but also have had a few things that all the prep time wouldn't have made a difference ...I hunt seaducks in ocean and from reading that story it seems like someone who just thought this couldn't happen to me ...like I say just how I read it ...no harm in talking about it

I havent bass fished big water but i hunt in rough stuff and to me I wonder why they put drift socks to stern? is this common for when you fish big water?

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I fish at Erie a few times each year and it can/does get nasty. The drift sock is normally off the back or sometimes two socks are deployed with another off the bow to slow the drift. Most any boat is going to get some deck wash when you are doing this when it's 2-3 but the bilge keeps up.

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Drift socks on the back was just plain stupid, Mike please explain how your bilges are going to pump water out when transom well is under water? or full of water. Xpress needs to change its bilge design and have bilges pump up and out like most glass boats.
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how is the bilge different? I agree with the drift socks off the back ...like mentioned probly because of my ocean hunting but when you deal with 10-15 foot ground swell and 20 mph winds along with 3-4 knot tides you learn how to anchor or sink LOL

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Quote, originally posted by FEARTHETURTLE210 »
Drift socks on the back was just plain stupid, Mike please explain how your bilges are going to pump water out when transom well is under water? or full of water. Xpress needs to change its bilge design and have bilges pump up and out like most glass boats.

210,
The use of the drift sock is normally off the stern and the bow if you use a 2nd one and can gain directional control via one one each side and the size of the socks or their opening. If it's bad enough that your getting deck wash every time a swell comes, your ass needs to be on the trailer! Have you ever fished at Erie?

I have both my pumps exiting via sep. hoses at the inside face of the splash well. They both shoot the water over the transom at the jackplate. Only thing discharging into the well is the livewell pump out.

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I understand the concept of drift sock and what there trying to do for the boat, i just would never attached 2 to the rear of my hull to not allow it to go up and over swells but act like an anchor to hold rear down. I had a 2005 X19 and the bilges were pumped into the splashwell which if above water line would empty out by 2 rear holes in transom. Most of the time the water was spitting so hard it would actually come onto the back deck. Xpress needs to angle them on the rear of hull so they are projecting up and away and out of the boat like most glass boats. JHMO...
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"Justin,
If you have your boat in order, the wiring is sealed up/water proof, the auto-bilge cuts on as soon as water hits the well. If you were to take on enough water to cover the batteries and short everything, then we need to make a movie of it!!! "

If you read the story that's exactly what they said happened. Seems a little unbelievable to me, too. I'm going to bet there was a fair amount of water in that bilge before the big wave hit. The story makes it clear that they did not have an auto bilge pump switch in that boat. I've never understood why they don't come stock from the factory with those. That was one of the first mods I did to my boat. A float switch is cheap and easy to install. They had the drift socks out. The stern was riding low in rough water. All those waves were washing over the transom tray and they were too busy fishing to pump it out. Then the big wave hit and flooded the battery compartment. I don't see any way one wave could flood that whole compartment if it didn't have a good bit of water in it already.

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I understand what your saying fully, but I do think one wave can put a lot of wait aboard with the drift sock out it would hold it down so that one wave would flood the deck more then the bilge at fist witch added enough water with the combo of the drift sock and the guy going back just sealed the deal

I am not sure on the boat as I know nothing about them but are they a good big water boat or was that another factor in this mishap...I agree a auto bilge would be great help but sometimes mother nature is nothing to play with

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"I am not sure on the boat as I know nothing about them but are they a good big water boat or was that another factor in this mishap...I agree a auto bilge would be great help but sometimes mother nature is nothing to play with"

Oh yeah, they're good big water boats. The X-19 is 19' long with a 95" beam and built like a battleship. The fact that it survived the ordeal without capsizing or sinking is testament to what a good big water boat it really is.

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I know a little about the story behind this.

I was fishing a T out of Sandusky Ohio out of my 19 foot Xpress and got into a conversation about Xpress boats with my partner who was from Ohio. I mentioned the picture above and he said he new the guys this happened to. He said the ship was passing by the Xpress and created a huge wake that went over the back of the Xpress and filled it instantly. Apparently if the guy had turned the boat around and faced into the waves he would not have filled with water.

Last year I was fishing a T in Illinois and the tournament director told me he had a lot of respect for Xpress boats after seeing one on lake Erie running with and out running the 21 foot boats (He had a Ranger).in 4 - 6 foot rollers. I asked him what T he was fishing and when he told me I raised my hand and said that I was the one he saw on lake Erie.

I bought the boat to fish shallow and go where most boats won't go but have been pleasantly surprised at how well it handles big water.

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Quote, originally posted by ql0j0lp »
I know a little about the story behind this.

I was fishing a T out of Sandusky Ohio out of my 19 foot Xpress and got into a conversation about Xpress boats with my partner who was from Ohio. I mentioned the picture above and he said he new the guys this happened to. He said the ship was passing by the Xpress and created a huge wake that went over the back of the Xpress and filled it instantly. Apparently if the guy had turned the boat around and faced into the waves he would not have filled with water.

Last year I was fishing a T in Illinois and the tournament director told me he had a lot of respect for Xpress boats after seeing one on lake Erie running with and out running the 21 foot boats (He had a Ranger).in 4 - 6 foot rollers. I asked him what T he was fishing and when he told me I raised my hand and said that I was the one he saw on lake Erie.

I bought the boat to fish shallow and go where most boats won't go but have been pleasantly surprised at how well it handles big water.


this makes a lot of sense!! everyone learns from mistakes.. main thing is they were saved

1997 Hydra sports 175
1997 150 hp fast strike
no jack plate
60.2 mph gps
5000-5100 rpm

 


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