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Flyswatter
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I just got back from 4 1/2 hours of fishing and tested my batteries. My Group 31 wet cell crank battery was at 75% full capacity after full charge before going out. My two group 27's trolling motor batteries (wet cell) were at 85% and 80% full charge capacity after full charge before going out. I ran hard on my trolling motor for 4 plus hours. Is that about normal? I have been having charging problems lately and my dealer said my NOCO Genius Charger may not be charging correctly. He said if the lights are green after 15 minutes of run time I may need to turn off the charger for 15 minutes and then plug back on for the charge to work properly. If that's the case I will for sure return it for another battery charger option. Has there been issues with these chargers? My setup is new as of August.

Just finished a charge that took approx. 3 hours to get my Crank battery on the charger to show green for a full charge. I connected my mulit charge for wet cell/Gell Cell/AGM batteries. It listed the battery only 90% full charge. Wondering why I am not getting the full charge?

Has anyone used batter additives to resulphate the plates to optimize charging and battery life?

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I have tried a couple of on board chargers and none gave 100% charge. The only way I charged 100% was with a portable charger. Additives do help extend life.
A tip: take your batteries from your boat and draw off the fluids. Flush the battery's cells with fresh water several times, replace the battery fluid and charge. This will extend the battery's life a lot.
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About once a month, I give my batteries a full, slow charge from my portable charger. Seems to help their life...


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Thanks for the tip! That makes sense to remove the sludge from the bottom of the battery that will mix with the fluid as you tow the boat and also run on the water. John

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I have tried a couple of on board chargers and none gave 100% charge. The only way I charged 100% was with a portable charger. Additives do help extend life.
A tip: take your batteries from your boat and draw off the fluids. Flush the battery's cells with fresh water several times, replace the battery fluid and charge. This will extend the battery's life a lot.


Any onboard does a far better job of charging the battery than a typical portable. Most portables will overcharge a battery, so they will always continue to charge the battery after it has been on an onboard. Every charger has set charging point that may vary by a few hundredths of a volt. Comparing what one charger thinks is fully charged and what another thinks is usually going to result in a mismatch, and the bottom line is that it doesn't make enough difference in capaacity to have any effect on performance. If you wanted to, you could charge the battery at 18V, and they would hold more power, but the life would be shorter.

The additives are complete and total junk.

Removing the electrolyte from a battery is useless in all but a few fairly unusual cases, and is a very dangerous process. This stuff is sulphuric acid, and shouldn't be messed with.

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The additives are complete and total junk.

What is your source or experience? Do share so we can better understand and educate ourselves.

Regarding my onboard charger (brand new boat, 2010) it only charges to about 90% capacity to my portable (NOT JUNK, very expensive) to test charge in my batteries. Is that typical for on board chargers? It Blinks green for full charge on my onboard charger but to specific percentage charge rate it only registers 90% on my portable charger. I trickle charge at 2 amps with the option to go to 2,10 and 15 amps for remaining 10% not charged. This takes additional 2 plus hours to complete but feel confident of a full charge now. From my perspective when traveling and fishing I view my onboard charge to keep my batteries from getting zapped with adequate charging vs. expecting a full charge from my experience. If I am missing something with this observation do share.

Thanks!

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What is your source or experience? Do share so we can better understand and educate ourselves.

Regarding my onboard charger (brand new boat, 2010) it only charges to about 90% capacity to my portable (NOT JUNK, very expensive) to test charge in my batteries. Is that typical for on board chargers? It Blinks green for full charge on my onboard charger but to specific percentage charge rate it only registers 90% on my portable charger. I trickle charge at 2 amps with the option to go to 2,10 and 15 amps for remaining 10% not charged. This takes additional 2 plus hours to complete but feel confident of a full charge now. From my perspective when traveling and fishing I view my onboard charge to keep my batteries from getting zapped with adequate charging vs. expecting a full charge from my experience. If I am missing something with this observation do share.

Thanks!

Flyswatter

Everything you ever wanted to know about batteries:
http://www.windsun.com/Batteries/Battery_FAQ.htm

The article references the part about never adding acid to an existing battery. Good explanation as well as to why AGM batteries are far superior to gell or wet cell batteries.

2008 Z520/Yamaha 250


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What is your source or experience? Do share so we can better understand and educate ourselves.

About 12 years as a battery test engineer working with some of the most thoroughly tested batteries in the world.

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About 12 years as a battery test engineer working with some of the most thoroughly tested batteries in the world.

Okay you have 12 years experience as a Battery tester engineer. I am not sure How it relates to your comment that battery additives are junk. Have you done test or have doucmentation that disproves their usefulness? If so please share.

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Thanks for all the info. Guess I better throw away the article I saved a couple of years ago about extending battery life. Glad there are knowledgable folks on this board.
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Okay you have 12 years experience as a Battery tester engineer. I am not sure How it relates to your comment that battery additives are junk. Have you done test or have doucmentation that disproves their usefulness? If so please share.

First, the manufacturers would have to provide some evidence that they work or even propose an idea of why they might work. The burden of proof is on the one making the claim. Batteries use sulphuric acid as an electrolyte. The chemistry of how they work and how they fail is well understood and there is no evidence that any of the additives work. There isn't even a reason to believe the additives might work, so nobody is going to spend any time investigating them.

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As a dealer we have seen that most of the onboard chargers with autosensing capabilities and low amp charging, sometimes just won't bring a battery back from when they have been completely drained of power. We put the batteries on a higher amp charger over night and they will typically come back to where your onboard can then keep them topped off.

If they continue to run down quickly you might have a dead cell in the battery and should be replaced. I don't recommend adding acid to batteries either.

The life of a battery is keeping them stored fully charged and full of water. We see customers getting 5 or 6 years out of a battery and some that can't get 12 months out of the same type battery.

You didn't mention what type of trolling motor you have. But the newer digital trolling motor use less power and will last longer during a day of fishing. The older analog motors use more power.

Hope this helps


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I have Minn Kota 80lb Fortrex.

Okay, high amp charging is good info.

Please read this website on Battery Equlizing works.

http://www.batteryequaliser.co...s.htm

So this is hocus pocus and unsubstantiated?

 


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