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| Re: Pricing Themselves Out of My Pocket Book???? (doroger) » | 6:11 PM 11/19/2009 |
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+1 Those prices are absurd.
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| Re: Pricing Themselves Out of My Pocket Book???? (doroger) » | 6:41 PM 11/19/2009 |
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| Quote, originally posted by doroger » | | Just saw a post regarding the new Yamaha on the new Skeeter with MSRP's from $67,000 to $71,000. |
That is crazy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Paul
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| Re: Pricing Themselves Out of My Pocket Book???? (doroger) » | 6:45 PM 11/19/2009 |
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They think that the housing equity is still rising.....
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| Re: Pricing Themselves Out of My Pocket Book???? (doroger) » | 7:09 PM 11/19/2009 |
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To pinpoint blame on this one would only need to look at us...the consumer. This is no different than any type of retail goods market, business will continue to make and sell products that consumers are willing to buy. This goes for 50K dollar Pickup trucks that should sell for 30K, 200K homes that should be 125K, $90 dollar shoes that are made for $10...you see where i am going with this, people are still buying these "luxury items" and the prices will continue to rise...pretty simple supply and demand at it's finest. Until folks start saying they are not buying that Brands new boat, Brand new truck, Brand new house, high dollar brand name shoes for that kinda of money it will only continue to get worse. We as consumers hold that ball in our court and can force companies to either reduce their prices or simply go out of business, and some will go out of business but most will adapt and offer items at reduced more affordable cost if they wish to remain in business. I say this all the time when walking the isles at the local BPS, why in the world does a 7 foot bass fishing rod cost 400.00? A crankbait cost $17? A swimbait cost $50?The answer??? Is Because someone is willing to spend that on a rod. Same with everything else. But back to the boat market, With these prices I can only see this helping the used boat market value slowly begin to increase as more folks will shift their monies to a slightly used vessel at any where from a 20-40% saving over buying new. There was a post similiar to this the other day and it is very true...there are numerous center console saltwater boats on the market brand freaking new that are 25-30 feet in length and these boats are fine pieces of equipment that can be had for that same 70K, yet a small 20 foot bassboat is selling for 50-70K, absolutey ridiculous. That 28 foot offshore boat has a helluve lot more "product" in it then any of todays bassboats. And alot of them are coming with the same same electronic packages that we commonly use. But Bassboat companies will continue to mark these boats up and blame it on cost increases and EPA regulations and blah blah blah...as long as there is a willing customer to spend their money on their product. 
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| Re: Pricing Themselves Out of My Pocket Book???? (doroger) » | 7:15 PM 11/19/2009 |
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I can't speak for Skeeter, but BassCat's Jag is in the mid 60's + or -. When it was first in production, BCB said it was for the angler who had the bucks to spend. BassCat, as well as Skeeter, Triton and others, still make 18,19, and 20' boats that are priced in the range for those who don't want to, or can't, spend the big bucks. BassCat is in it for the long haul, started in 1972, is family owned, they build a top quality rig, and have the best customer service in the business. You can buy a new 18' Sabre/150hp, nicely equipped in the high 20's to low 30's depending on what goodies you want to add to it. It's also rated for a 175 which obviously would cost you a bit more. The boats you're wanting to buy are still out there and always will be. Those boats are the bread and butter of most manufacturers. Boat companies building those really high dollar rigs aren't going to price themselves out of the business as long as they have those other boats in their line up. 
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| Re: Pricing Themselves Out of My Pocket Book???? (doroger) » | 7:37 PM 11/19/2009 |
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It wasn't long ago when 20fters with 225's were 30k. Those were the days.
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| Re: Pricing Themselves Out of My Pocket Book???? (doroger) » | 8:14 PM 11/19/2009 |
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Do you know anyone that has paid msrp for a boat? Or have you ever paid msrp for a boat ? If you have then you must have alot of money.
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| Re: Pricing Themselves Out of My Pocket Book???? (frogfishin) » | 8:17 PM 11/19/2009 |
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No, never paid MSRP, but even if you take 10-30% off of MSRP, that's still a lot of money for working folks to plunk down. Don Rogers
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| Re: Pricing Themselves Out of My Pocket Book???? (doroger) » | 8:33 PM 11/19/2009 |
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jaylaw speaks the truth............imoThose who don't learn from history, are doomed to repeat it.
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yeah that is insane
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| Re: (ragin_cajun92) » | 9:45 PM 11/19/2009 |
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I know they still make the smaller boats but their prices are still pretty steep. The lower end rangers are still 30+. Paying on a boat for long term notes like what they do a lot is horrible financially, the bank almost makes more than the cost of the boat in interest. Of course the recent bankrupcy filing by genmar possibly shows that things may be catching up to the manufacturers.
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For that much $$$$ they can keep the damn things 
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| Re: (BASSINROOKIE) » | 11:08 PM 11/19/2009 |
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hard to compare a 20 plus boat with a 250 to a 18 foot boat with a 175. but yes, boat prices are on the rise and always will be. just like trucks, houses and everything else. I love my new boat, and I think I got a fair price...at least when the payment goes out of my account every month I can go down to the garage and say it's worth it to me.
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Prices are reflective of there demand. I will never spend $50k-$70k on a bass rig. More power to the guys who want to spend it. Bass boats plummet in value the minute your drive them off lot. Easily $10-15k in first year. The companies wrap there money payouts to newer rigs. I think the days of 18-19 fts with 150-175hp are on the rise and will be the standard here in the next ten years. With the cost of fuel/oil rising it makes sense to buy these boats so you can fish w/o breaking the bank each trip out.
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| Re: Pricing Themselves Out of My Pocket Book???? (doroger) » | 7:14 AM 11/20/2009 |
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I would never pay that kind of price for a boat unless I hit the lottery! Chances of that happening is slim to NONE.
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| Re: Pricing Themselves Out of My Pocket Book???? (Edward) » | 7:42 AM 11/20/2009 |
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As a retired old fart that has done fairly well in life and has ZERO debt and a decent bank account, I can say with all honesty that it will be a cold day in hell before I would pay that kind of money for a bass boat. I still feel that even the 18-19 fooot boats are way over priced ! Parts and labor are outrageous!!!!! Along with insurance and fuel.Those that buy these new highdollar boats on credit will lose their shirts when the SHTF. And it will before too much longer !!!!!!!
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| Re: Pricing Themselves Out of My Pocket Book???? (doroger) » | 8:37 AM 11/20/2009 |
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And about $1,000 for each day in fuel...
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| Re: Pricing Themselves Out of My Pocket Book???? (wwc3) » | 8:41 AM 11/20/2009 |
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All you guys talk the talk but don't walk the walk. The first thing out of someones mouth when they buy one of the 17 or 18 foot boat with a 150 hp on the back, How can I get this lead sled to run faster. Don't believe me, just look at any of the Mercury, Yamaha, Honda or other Topic motor forums and you will see what I am talking about. Well if you buy the lower end boats and then go trying to make them run as fast as a 20 footer with a 250 hp on the back, then you might as well buy that boat in the first place. You are going to spend a ton of money on that smaller boat and still not run with the big boys and that is what 80% of you guys will be saying. Where's the Speed? 
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| Re: Pricing Themselves Out of My Pocket Book???? (doroger) » | 8:59 AM 11/20/2009 |
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some said it in a previous reply. The issue is the WE THE CONSUMER!!!! First, some out there are stupid enough to pay 40-60k for a bassboat. A BASSBOAT!!!! It's a toy. Nothing but a luxury. I too, would love to have a nice new Skeeter or Bass Cat. And according to what most people believe I can afford it. According to my philosophy I can't. Why? Because I don't have 40-60k lying around to spend on a boat and I refuse to finance anything. I'm not a rich man. My wife and I work very hard and make a very good living. The problem I see is that there are simply way too many fools out there that have to have everything RIGHT NOW!!! and they are willing to finance a damn boat for 8-12 years. Who in their right mind does this? I've never bought a new boat, and probably never will. I'm perfectly content to buy a boat thats a few years old and let someone else take the financial bloodbath.
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| Re: Pricing Themselves Out of My Pocket Book???? (smalljawguy) » | 9:20 AM 11/20/2009 |
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| Quote, originally posted by smalljawguy » | | some said it in a previous reply. The issue is the WE THE CONSUMER!!!! First, some out there are stupid enough to pay 40-60k for a bassboat. A BASSBOAT!!!! It's a toy. Nothing but a luxury. I too, would love to have a nice new Skeeter or Bass Cat. And according to what most people believe I can afford it. According to my philosophy I can't. Why? Because I don't have 40-60k lying around to spend on a boat and I refuse to finance anything. I'm not a rich man. My wife and I work very hard and make a very good living. The problem I see is that there are simply way too many fools out there that have to have everything RIGHT NOW!!! and they are willing to finance a damn boat for 8-12 years. Who in their right mind does this? I've never bought a new boat, and probably never will. I'm perfectly content to buy a boat thats a few years old and let someone else take the financial bloodbath. |
What you say is correct. But...it's all up to the individual. If to someone else, it makes sense to finance a huge amount of money, it's their decision. It certainly doesn't make them a fool. I think pretty much like you do, I won't drop a huge amount of money into a boat. But whatever you put into a boat it's still just a toy. 
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| Re: Pricing Themselves Out of My Pocket Book???? (billius) » | 9:29 AM 11/20/2009 |
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The problem certainly is the consumer. However, what are the costs on a bassboat? Obviously you have an easy big chuck of change on the motor so that is a given, electronics are also a straight-up cost so you can do the math on that too, but now you are still only talking about maybe $22K cost before the hull and boat design. Are we thinking that on a 21 foot boat with all the bells and whistles the boat minus motor and electronics is a fair price at $30K?
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| Re: Pricing Themselves Out of My Pocket Book???? (rangerguy) » | 9:45 AM 11/20/2009 |
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| Quote, originally posted by rangerguy » | All you guys talk the talk but don't walk the walk. The first thing out of someones mouth when they buy one of the 17 or 18 foot boat with a 150 hp on the back, How can I get this lead sled to run faster. Don't believe me, just look at any of the Mercury, Yamaha, Honda or other Topic motor forums and you will see what I am talking about. Well if you buy the lower end boats and then go trying to make them run as fast as a 20 footer with a 250 hp on the back, then you might as well buy that boat in the first place. You are going to spend a ton of money on that smaller boat and still not run with the big boys and that is what 80% of you guys will be saying. Where's the Speed? |
You are right. The only thing is some of the 18 footers out there are no where near lower end boats. But even if they were low end 18 footer w/ 150's some will still run with the so called "big boys". I had an 06 Basscat sabre w/ 150 xr6 that a 200 hp boat couldn't touch me and my partner tourney loaded. I don't consider that the sabre is low end, but it is Basscats smallest bass boat model. http://www.fishingwithsvc.com http://www.whopperbaits.com
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| Re: Pricing Themselves Out of My Pocket Book???? (luigisbass) » | 10:33 AM 11/20/2009 |
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I'm not going to lie, if I had a boat load of money (pardon the pun) I would buy that new Skeeter. Just for sh_ts and giggles, I'd buy it. But by a lot of money, I'm talking about hitting a huge powerball jackpot or something. -1994 Ranger 488VS Commanche...with a 2006 Optimax 175 on the way!-
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| Re: Pricing Themselves Out of My Pocket Book???? (Snover) » | 12:07 PM 11/20/2009 |
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The pricing is insane. But like everyone said, there are some people that buy them.For me, I got a nice used boat for under $10K and I'm loving it. New outboard pricing is what drives me nuts. I can buy a new Chevy crate motor for $2K but a new Optimax 150 is $18,000. CRAZY
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