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btsmbass
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 If I hear this one more time......2:51 PM 11/24/2009 Reply  Edit

that Legends are nothing more than cobras. I am going to freak. Went into the local Skeeter dealer cause they usually carry a lot of regional specific tackle and of course the salesman just had to ask what I own. In stead of taking the high route and saying that is a nice boat and try to build even more value in his product. The a-hole like all other crappy salesman tries to instantly cut the Legend brand. Saying old technology (like technology has changed that much in building boats in 30 years) and that a legend is nothing more than a splash of another brand. I then had to explain the differences and he was very humble and after my dissertation he quietly went back to his desk and STFU like a good whupped dog should. I stopped after about 50 differences and told him I could name a 100 more if he wanted to listen. I then continued to tell him similarities between skeeter and cobra and after about 10 I could tell he had enough. All the man had to do was say my boat was a nice boat and I probably would have listened to what he had to say.


This just proves that the industry still lacks talent and nearly every dealer I walk into has at least one a-hole salesman like this. We think of our boats almost like children and I don't think there is a guy or girl in the world who doesn't love what they own, if salesmen would learn this they would get their closing rates over 30% like good guys do.

RANT OVER!

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 Re: If I hear this one more time...... (btsmbass) »2:56 PM 11/24/2009 Reply  Edit

I'm not that familiar with the cobras but just looking at them they do look a lot alike. If you don't mind, what are the differences. I like the looks of them and I know they are very nice boats.
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 Re: If I hear this one more time...... (R Warner) »3:21 PM 11/24/2009 Reply  Edit

I will tell you the biggest difference with these boats the customer service is number one compared to the other brands.
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 Re: If I hear this one more time...... (R Warner) »3:45 PM 11/24/2009 Reply  Edit

I can tell a bunch of similarities between the Legend and the Ranger also. I really would like to see Lee come on here as he has built both Cobras and Legends and he may even had a short stint at Ranger also or I'm getting that confused with BassCat.

Differences:
Legend- foam filled stringer with four piece hull cap and stringer design
Cobra- coosa board stringer with two piece hull and cap design

Legend- double floor with totally enclosed top cap
Cobra- Single floor with open top cap

Legend- All fiberglass transom and gusset supports the run longitudinally along the stringer
Cobra- Aluminum Gusset bolted into coosa stringer

Legend- front to my measurements geometrically is near identical to a 5 series ranger with 370 influence note the reverse outer chine up front
Cobra- front half is geometrically similar to 480 series not quite the turn as sharp of an entry angle

Legend- added lifting strakes and strake placement and design are different

Legend- rear geometry angles are different

Legend- Rear gas tank
Cobra- under seat tank

Legend- smaller top cap gunnels so you get a larger area wise front deck and rear deck

Legend- finished battery compartment

Legend- Larger easier to access battery compartment

Legend- More updated: touchpad switchboard, floating consoles, standard recessed TM tray, consoles that accept electronics configurations.

There are tons more also just need to run but will add more later. I'm sure others can add differences also as there are a few Cobra owners that made the switch to Legend. If chopdogg sees this he can more also as he knows both boats very well. Plus he can correct any of my mistakes.

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 Re: If I hear this one more time...... (btsmbass) »8:44 PM 11/24/2009 Reply  Edit

it must be x mas and a way we go first of all any legend you see now or previous is a legend not a hawk not cobra not a viper not a ranger not a basscat its a breed of all mixed to perfection hince the name legend oh wait theres a splash of champion in there to ive been in this for about 20 yrs and seen alot ive built all the above minus the rangers the funny thing is i have a long history with these boats and all ican say is this is the best boat i have ever built truly 1 at a time i could go on for ever but the plain ass truth is that a LEGEND is aLEGEND the people that build them give a damn about what they do and who they are doin it for so there for you will get nothing less than the best from all of us always steppin up not being stepped on got your back btsmbass
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 Re: If I hear this one more time...... (choppdog71) »12:17 AM 11/25/2009 Reply  Edit

C'mon Lee, easy you and some others have your own unique contributions to the boat also. Yes I agree it is not any boat other than a Legend. Merry X-mas

Really both Lee and Dave, Legends magic makers know more than I do, but I can guarantee this though. You would be amazed how a slight change can make a drastic difference in lift, ride, weight distribution and so much more. The fortunate thing is every other manuf. knows that also. That is what this makes this industry so fascinating. As long as people like Deana, Billy, Renea, Deryl, Lee, Dave, Duane, Randy, Dean, their finely picked dealers, and the rest of the team I know I missed. These folks are the reason I also ride in a Legend. There are a ton of choices out there and none of them are wrong. I do believe though for my needs, I found a group of folks that fit me perfectly.

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 Re: If I hear this one more time...... (choppdog71) »10:05 AM 11/25/2009 Reply  Edit

"Toledo Bend....behind the pine curtain"



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 Re: If I hear this one more time...... (Corkpuller) »11:12 AM 11/25/2009 Reply  Edit

I have to agree the staff at the factory does care about there product. Many say it but they prove it day in and day out. I make a call someone answers and does not pass the buck or say we will call you back. They find someone to take care of it right then and there. Now that to me is a big deal. As far as differences there are too many to say. I do get teased by some dealers but they are my friends as well so they have the right to do so in the first place. When people do see the boats for the first time they are in amazement of how great they look as well as the finish is second to none.Ray Leyerly

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 Re: If I hear this one more time...... (choppdog71) »9:37 AM 11/26/2009 Reply  Edit

Quote, originally posted by choppdog71 »
it must be x mas and a way we go first of all any legend you see now or previous is a legend not a hawk not cobra not a viper not a ranger not a basscat its a breed of all mixed to perfection hince the name legend oh wait theres a splash of champion in there to ive been in this for about 20 yrs and seen alot ive built all the above minus the rangers the funny thing is i have a long history with these boats and all ican say is this is the best boat i have ever built truly 1 at a time i could go on for ever but the plain ass truth is that a LEGEND is aLEGEND the people that build them give a damn about what they do and who they are doin it for so there for you will get nothing less than the best from all of us always steppin up not being stepped on got your back btsmbass

That has to be the most emoticons ever in a post


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 Re: If I hear this one more time...... (btsmbass) »3:16 PM 11/26/2009 Reply  Edit

Quote, originally posted by btsmbass »
that Legends are nothing more than cobras. I am going to freak. Went into the local Skeeter dealer cause they usually carry a lot of regional specific tackle and of course the salesman just had to ask what I own. In stead of taking the high route and saying that is a nice boat and try to build even more value in his product. The a-hole like all other crappy salesman tries to instantly cut the Legend brand. Saying old technology (like technology has changed that much in building boats in 30 years) and that a legend is nothing more than a splash of another brand. I then had to explain the differences and he was very humble and after my dissertation he quietly went back to his desk and STFU like a good whupped dog should. I stopped after about 50 differences and told him I could name a 100 more if he wanted to listen. I then continued to tell him similarities between skeeter and cobra and after about 10 I could tell he had enough. All the man had to do was say my boat was a nice boat and I probably would have listened to what he had to say.


This just proves that the industry still lacks talent and nearly every dealer I walk into has at least one a-hole salesman like this. We think of our boats almost like children and I don't think there is a guy or girl in the world who doesn't love what they own, if salesmen would learn this they would get their closing rates over 30% like good guys do.

RANT OVER!

Look a lot like a ChampioN to me .
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 Re: If I hear this one more time...... (ChampioNman) »5:08 PM 11/26/2009 Reply  Edit

Yeah well, a Charger is nothing more than a fancy Champion.

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 Re: If I hear this one more time...... (btsmbass) »6:50 PM 11/26/2009 Reply  Edit

Umm you might want to read this little article. http://bbcboards.zeroforum.com...-goff
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 Re: If I hear this one more time...... (ChampioNman) »7:38 PM 11/26/2009 Reply  Edit

i read the lil story and all i can say is it is half truth the other half bs set a new l legend next to a new champ oops i forgot they are done either way they are not the same
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 Re: If I hear this one more time...... (choppdog71) »8:22 PM 11/26/2009 Reply  Edit

Methinks Mr. Goff has been in the game a little longer than you and he speaks the truth as he knows all the players. Don't think ChampioN is dead yet either.



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 Re: If I hear this one more time...... (ChampioNman) »10:31 PM 11/26/2009 Reply  Edit


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 Re: If I hear this one more time...... (ChampioNman) »9:48 AM 11/27/2009 Reply  Edit

gee iguess all the years i spent working for all of them must have been a dream like i said its 50 50 and really idont remember benton being around when storie left cobra and the hawk was being made seeing how i was there from jump street either way it dont matter to me because alegend is a legend not this that or the other
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 Re: If I hear this one more time...... (btsmbass) »10:05 AM 11/27/2009 Reply  Edit

Quote, originally posted by btsmbass »
There are a ton of choices out there and none of them are wrong. I do believe though for my needs, I found a group of folks that fit me perfectly.


Agreed! the rest is just talk.
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 Re: If I hear this one more time...... (Cpt. Morgan) »12:13 PM 11/27/2009 Reply  Edit

Didn't I start something fun. Also a nitro is just a fancy skeeter!

Plus would anybody kick Kellie Pickler out of bed for eating ribs. Hell if it were me she could use my silk sheets as a bib.


She was hot even the before the breast enhancement

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 Re: If I hear this one more time...... (btsmbass) »12:24 PM 11/27/2009 Reply  Edit

she's a cutie but when's she gettin a breast enlargement

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 Re: If I hear this one more time...... (Corkpuller) »12:30 PM 11/27/2009 Reply  Edit

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she's a cutie but when's she gettin a breast enlargement

It's already done, gotta see her more recent pics. Bangin' little bod on her.

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 Re: If I hear this one more time...... (btsmbass) »12:47 PM 11/27/2009 Reply  Edit

after crummy weather and short days at the lake couple weeks ago, I spent some time watchin some Country music videos and there's quite a gaggle of nice young ladies singin "so called" Country now days.

AND...a Legend is a Legend

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 Re: If I hear this one more time...... (Corkpuller) »4:40 PM 11/27/2009 Reply  Edit

more than a mouthfull is good for me
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  »9:14 AM 12/1/2009 Reply  Edit

*Anyone* who has any issue with anything I say, is more than welcome to detail anything they take issue to.
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 Re: (pmgoffjr) »6:15 PM 12/2/2009 Reply  Edit

no issues here just stateing some facts seeing how ive lived in the trenches for the past 20 yrs while some just ride in what they think they know everything about if ya aint built them you dont know much in my book to the grunts
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 Re: (choppdog71) »6:57 AM 12/3/2009 Reply  Edit

But...if we didn't sell them, you wouldn't have anything to build now would you?


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