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| Re: Atlas Hydraulic (gbs52) » | 10:30 AM 11/25/2009 |
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I'm also interested in the Atlas on a Stroker. Several high end saltwater boat manufactures are using them.
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Strokerdean
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| Re: Atlas Hydraulic (Ludicrous) » | 10:46 AM 11/25/2009 |
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Are they horsepower rated, based on the pics it doesn't look very beefy.
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Ludicrous
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| Re: Atlas Hydraulic (Strokerdean) » | 11:00 AM 11/25/2009 |
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| Quote, originally posted by Strokerdean » | | Are they horsepower rated, based on the pics it doesn't look very beefy. |
Manufactures website says rated for v6 300hp max. http://www.thmarine.com/productd526.html?PRID=213 
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1outlaw
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| Re: Atlas Hydraulic (Ludicrous) » | 12:10 PM 11/25/2009 |
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I talked with them extensively when i installed a new plate on my boat earlier this year....Only reason i didnt go with them is warranty.....New product and not enough out there to see how they hold up and only a 1 year warranty...I wasnt risking it!!!  
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| Re: Atlas Hydraulic (1outlaw) » | 1:09 PM 11/25/2009 |
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Nice looking unit but I don't want another HT Marine jack plate. Bit once was plenty. I would go with the new extreme from Bobs. Good for 350 hp.
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Ludicrous
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| Re: Atlas Hydraulic (spider1) » | 1:17 PM 11/25/2009 |
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| Quote, originally posted by spider1 » | | Nice looking unit but I don't want another HT Marine jack plate. Bit once was plenty. I would go with the new extreme from Bobs. Good for 350 hp. |
http://www.bobsmachine.com/Pro...s.cfm
Question, most Strokers are running 14" of setback....where does the other 2 inches come from? Spacer?
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| Re: Atlas Hydraulic (Ludicrous) » | 1:34 PM 11/25/2009 |
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Right now I have two 6" jack plates bolted together. May be changing that set up and going to a 10" bobs with 4" extensions from HT
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| Re: Atlas Hydraulic (spider1) » | 2:29 PM 11/25/2009 |
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It comes from an 8" Detwiler Hydraulic Jackplate. and a 6" Manual Jackplate. This is the setup that HydroTec uses and has worked very well on all of the Strokers they have setup.
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| Re: Atlas Hydraulic (NixaMan) » | 2:39 PM 11/25/2009 |
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If i was going to do it again, i would do exactly what Spider is considering....I will now add 2" spacers but it would have been nice to have my setback height adjustable!!!  .....If would have known i would be this close to a 100 with just 12" setback i would have went with 14 from the begining. 
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Ludicrous
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| Re: Atlas Hydraulic (NixaMan) » | 2:39 PM 11/25/2009 |
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| Quote, originally posted by NixaMan » | | It comes from an 8" Detwiler Hydraulic Jackplate. and a 6" Manual Jackplate. This is the setup that HydroTec uses and has worked very well on all of the Strokers they have setup. |
What is the advantage to having all those bolts/hardware holding things together vs a single unit that can give 14"?
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| Re: Atlas Hydraulic (Ludicrous) » | 2:40 PM 11/25/2009 |
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You have seen that same set up Captain, Blackie has it, as does Nightmare..................... 
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| Re: Atlas Hydraulic (blair) » | 2:42 PM 11/25/2009 |
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The Hydro Tec combo set up has negative tuck built in.
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Ludicrous
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| Re: Atlas Hydraulic (blair) » | 2:47 PM 11/25/2009 |
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| Quote, originally posted by blair » | You have seen that same set up Captain, Blackie has it, as does Nightmare..................... |
I have been studying this photo:
Two more questions:
a. Negative tuck, explanation needed...
b. Certain degree your looking for?
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| Re: Atlas Hydraulic (Ludicrous) » | 3:06 PM 11/25/2009 |
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If you look at the HydroTech silver plate, there is a difference in length (front to rear) from top to bottom. the top is wider (longer) than the bottom creating two surfaces that are not parallell which equals negative tuck (additional negative trim). This additional neg trim helps the hole shot. The use of 2 plates instead of one plate and standard spacers gives you the ability to raise the engine to the heigth most strokers run when stretching them out. I use one Detwiler plate and spacers that give me the length and heigth needed.
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| Re: Atlas Hydraulic (Strokerdean) » | 4:46 PM 11/25/2009 |
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| Quote, originally posted by Strokerdean » | | If you look at the HydroTech silver plate, there is a difference in length (front to rear) from top to bottom. the top is wider (longer) than the bottom creating two surfaces that are not parallell which equals negative tuck (additional negative trim). This additional neg trim helps the hole shot. The use of 2 plates instead of one plate and standard spacers gives you the ability to raise the engine to the heigth most strokers run when stretching them out. I use one Detwiler plate and spacers that give me the length and heigth needed. |
Is the 2-4 degrees of negative trim worth the extra holeshot? Just guessing at the degrees but Blair might have broken out the slide ruler on this...
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| Re: Atlas Hydraulic (Ludicrous) » | 5:20 PM 11/25/2009 |
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| Quote, originally posted by Ludicrous » |
Is the 2-4 degrees of negative trim worth the extra holeshot
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Its helps but isnt a MUST HAVE!!!!....I would recommend it though!!!
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| Re: Atlas Hydraulic (Ludicrous) » | 5:25 PM 11/25/2009 |
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Thanks, Dean for the great explanation.I believe my set ups are approximately 4-5 degrees, and yes, it improves the hole shot. Plus, you have the ability to raise the motor nearly 4" above the pad which, in our application, gives you the best top end opportunity. My best top end numbers are usually around 2.75" - 3.25" above the pad.
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| Re: Atlas Hydraulic (blair) » | 9:09 PM 11/25/2009 |
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We are running setback plates from Hydrodynamics that have negative tuck and pre jack built in  . I am gonna have three inches of pre jack built into my next one.
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| Re: Atlas Hydraulic (nightbasser) » | 11:45 PM 11/26/2009 |
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Since Strokers don't require alot of positive trim you can get by with about 3 degrees of negative tuck which does help holeshot and it also helps the porpoise issue at slow speeds. I would not go more than 3 degrees. If you use a fixed static plate you will need 3 1/2- 4" of prejack which can be obtained. Go with 14"-15" for top end and 12" for a fishing rig set-up...Any questions you can email me gbs52 @yahoo.com or call 606-340-7817 Jerry's Pro Marine / Thanks Jerry
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| Re: Atlas Hydraulic (gbs52) » | 8:06 AM 11/27/2009 |
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Jerry, You know I would if I could, But I can't so I wont.    
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| Re: Atlas Hydraulic (21XDC) » | 10:30 AM 11/27/2009 |
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Just pokin fun Mike. Tell me about the new prop Mark has been working on.[Changing the rake on a Bravo]?
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| Re: Atlas Hydraulic (gbs52) » | 4:09 PM 11/27/2009 |
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Call me... I know you still have my number.
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| Re: Atlas Hydraulic (21XDC) » | 11:16 PM 11/27/2009 |
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Jerry
it is hard to find enough vertical rise with the detwiler we are adding 4" of vertical rise to the plates with the added setback
I personaly have not found many plates that would lift the engine at wot with the added setback and keeping the plates ridigid and not floping back and forth is a big prob.
I would recomend going with the detwiler even if it cost alittle more and pinchin pennys some where else
Kurtjust my 2 cents 
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| Re: Atlas Hydraulic (Stroker300x) » | 1:46 AM 11/28/2009 |
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Hey Kurt, Thanks for your input and everyones. I had not seen an Atlas and was curious as if there were an alternative out there to Detwiler. I know we shouldn't prejudge but when you look on the pump of a Detwiler and see China on the pump it makes you wonder.....Jerry
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