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BigTone,Ar.
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 1.62 0r 1.75 gears in sportmaster4:12 PM 2/4/2010 Reply  Edit

Unfortunately I trashed a lower unit. I have seen people post that they are running 1.75 with a 250xs and really like them. I currently have 1.62. I believe that I could trade out since I am going to have to rebuild anyway. Should I go 1.75? Can some of you guys give me some compairison numbers of the two. The way I look at it is if I might want different now is the time to change or not.

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 Re: 1.62 0r 1.75 gears in sportmaster (BigTone,Ar.) »4:17 PM 2/4/2010 Reply  Edit

You also must think about the props you have now,, with the 1.75's you will gain about 400 rpm, what will that do to your props

I have several props that I need to gain rpms with so I'm gonna get a set of 1.75's with my income tax money

But I do have the luxury for now of having two cases so one will stay 1.62.
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 Re: 1.62 0r 1.75 gears in sportmaster (BigTone,Ar.) »4:30 PM 2/4/2010 Reply  Edit

Is this with a 250 XS you are asking? Lou's remarks are spot on IMO but he has a 300X EFI motor which runs a higher RPM powerband than the Opti 250 XS. A lot depends on the boat your running as well as your goals and existing props/RPM's

I'd keep the 250 XS running between 5850 and 6000 RPM's for the EFI 300X you can go 6400 to 6600 RPM's

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 Re: 1.62 0r 1.75 gears in sportmaster (esdbass) »5:06 PM 2/4/2010 Reply  Edit

I don't think ya'll understand my question. If I have to get a bigger prop that is ok. What I want to know is the difference in performance with the two gears. Ex. holeshot, 50mph punch. I know they will go up but is it enough to really tell. I assume top end will go down, but is it 2 mph or 10 mph? The reason that I am asking is i run loaded two people 90 percent of the time. I am thinking that a little more power might serve me well.

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 Re: 1.62 0r 1.75 gears in sportmaster (BigTone,Ar.) »5:14 PM 2/4/2010 Reply  Edit

You will likely end up with a 32 pitch prop to fish with....Big wheels are hard on gears so keep that in mind.
You will only lose a couple MPH on topend but you wont see a difference and may gain a mile or 2 loaded to fish!!!!.....You will gain ALOT on holeshot and mid range punch!!!!...I run 1.75 on my motor and have about the same H.P. as you!!!
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 Re: 1.62 0r 1.75 gears in sportmaster (1outlaw) »6:43 PM 2/4/2010 Reply  Edit

Tony, I understood, but just wanted ya to be aware that the same props wouldn't work.. If ya had 3 or 4 props that worked with your 1.62 then it could be a pain trading them out..

Jason, I do ? the thought of loosing top end though, by the #ers if the 1.62 gears turn a 28 to 6500 and the 1.75 gears turn a 32 to 6500, IF (and it is a Big if) the slip stays close to the same then by rights you should go faster with the 32 at the same rpm.s

I do know bigger props can be less efficiant so that may be the difference... I will be finding out here soon!!


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 Re: 1.62 0r 1.75 gears in sportmaster (Largemouthlou) »7:37 PM 2/4/2010 Reply  Edit

thanks for the input guys
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 Re: 1.62 0r 1.75 gears in sportmaster (BigTone,Ar.) »7:42 PM 2/4/2010 Reply  Edit

Tone you might like the 1.75's for fishing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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 Re: 1.62 0r 1.75 gears in sportmaster (Largemouthlou) »8:12 PM 2/4/2010 Reply  Edit

Lou, im only guessing at losing on the top end...I ran 1.62's on mine and got the EXACT same number with the same prop.....I wouldnt call the tetst scientific....You know i just trashed my lower so i had the option to go 1.62...I chose 1.75 because i didnt believe i was losing top speed staying with 1.75......Keep in mind..I consider my rig a fishing boat and not a true 100+ rig.....It takes the right conditions to get triple digits

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 Re: 1.62 0r 1.75 gears in sportmaster (1outlaw) »8:56 PM 2/4/2010 Reply  Edit

I'm with you Jason. It would be nice to run a hundred, but that is second on my list. The important thing to me is that my go-fast fishing boat is able to do that job to its best potential. Jason, the thing you said about gears and big props has got my attention. I don't want to do anything to increase chance of problems. My luck is chit, my other lower unit only had 61 hours on it. Anyway, the gear thing just popped into my head last week and thought I would get you guys input on the situation. Ya'll know better than me
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 Re: 1.62 0r 1.75 gears in sportmaster (BigTone,Ar.) »9:30 PM 2/4/2010 Reply  Edit

I would not go with the 1.75 not worth the money.
If you want low end and mid range then just drop down in pitch. If you want top end then go up. You can have the same hole and mid with both gears just change your prop size to match what you want to do. You can bang the limiter with a 32 and 1.75 are with a 28 and 1.62 your choice.




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 Re: 1.62 0r 1.75 gears in sportmaster (BigTone,Ar.) »9:43 PM 2/4/2010 Reply  Edit

Tony, i think its a toss up...I like my 1.75 gears but propping it has been a bitch.....I fish with a 32 performer 4 ET....To get a good top end number requires a 34+ prop...The florida contingent has a strong prop and gear case selection along with multiple brands...Do like we do....Buy both

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 Re: 1.62 0r 1.75 gears in sportmaster (BigTone,Ar.) »5:50 AM 2/5/2010 Reply  Edit

I would go with 1.62 gears because of better prop selection. the difference is about 2" pitch in props. I fish wiht a 26" pitch, so I have great holeshot even with a full load, and still run 80s. It takes a 32" to keep me off the limiter, it would take a 34" to keep me off the militer with a 1.75 lower, and they are hard to find.
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 Re: 1.62 0r 1.75 gears in sportmaster (spider1) »6:41 AM 2/5/2010 Reply  Edit

Guess I'm still gonna have to learn the hard way, my backwards math still says if ya turn a bigger prop more rpm's then your gonna go faster, not to mention a better hole shot and mid with the bigger prop and 1.75 gears!!

One thing I do agree on is the reliabilty issue after a while with the bigger props..

Wonder how the holeshot would be with a 28 and 1.75 gears?? Hell My limiter usually kicks me at 80 anyways!


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 Re: 1.62 0r 1.75 gears in sportmaster (Largemouthlou) »6:49 AM 2/5/2010 Reply  Edit

Every prop is different, even the same make and pitch. But if you were all out racing, and could max each out, the lower pitch props with the 1.62 gears would win the speed contest. The lower pitches are slightly more efficient, with less losses to things like the paddle wheel effect and stern lift. (higher pitch props have more stern lift with surfacing props).

But unless you are all out racing, you wouldn't notice the difference.

Lou, I suffer from the 5850 limiter.
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 Re: 1.62 0r 1.75 gears in sportmaster (John Jackson) »2:09 PM 2/5/2010 Reply  Edit

You Florida Boys got all the good toys. I wish you could bring a Sportmaster for a 20" up to the Stroker Rally along with the bolts cause I sure would like to try one on for size. I am of the opinion that this little boat of mine might like a little more height which would let this 30 Performer 4 get some more RPM's. I am about 1-3/4" below now and am hoping for even with or over as long as I can keep water pressure.
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 Re: 1.62 0r 1.75 gears in sportmaster (NixaMan) »7:03 PM 2/5/2010 Reply  Edit

Gary you get the bolt kit and im sure we can arrange a sporty

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 Re: 1.62 0r 1.75 gears in sportmaster (1outlaw) »7:25 PM 2/5/2010 Reply  Edit

I will have a Bolt kit when I get to J. P. Coleman! I knew you guys would help a friend out.
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 Re: 1.62 0r 1.75 gears in sportmaster (1outlaw) »7:27 PM 2/5/2010 Reply  Edit

well, all in all it sounds like I should stick with the 1.62. Like you said Jason I need both
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 Re: 1.62 0r 1.75 gears in sportmaster (BigTone,Ar.) »10:46 AM 2/7/2010 Reply  Edit

When I went with the sm lower, I had the option of 1.62 or 1.75 gears. Kurt recommended the 1.62's based on what numbers and rpm's the Strokers run at the lower elevations. I went with my idea that I would be down on hp and wanted the low and mid range thinking I would be able to prop the boat. I run a 28p Hydro Q4X and a 28p Bravo 1 on the limiter 6350 (88.7), a 30p Q4X at 6250 (92.9) and a 33p Q4X to 5950 (95). If I had it to do over I would reconsider and go with the 1.62's because the used market on the big wheels is very slim and brings top dollar. I have been looking for a used back up for the 33p as it has been fixed twice now and I only use it to put up a big number (for me, not others) then it comes off. I still need a low elevation prop in a 34p ? of something. It seems the smaller props are more readlly available at a more reasonable price. Don't get me wrong, I just want more speed, looking for trips but don't think I will get there where I run. Hope this helps, good luck on your decision.
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 Re: 1.62 0r 1.75 gears in sportmaster (Strokerdean) »2:05 PM 2/7/2010 Reply  Edit

I have both sets of gears and prefer the 1:62. It really does depend on your hull and your load. For my BasSport Pro (2 seater), the 1:62 gears and smaller pitch props makes for a better top end and more predictable handling characteristics.
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 Re: 1.62 0r 1.75 gears in sportmaster (RobShaw1) »5:09 AM 2/8/2010 Reply  Edit

I think the question regarding gearing all depends on your needs/goals.

I've got the 1.75's on my 250 XS and love the gearing! However, I carry a pretty heavy load and many times fish in areas where you really can't go WOT for very long if any. I run a 36v trolling motor so I have 3 trolling batteries, plus my cranking battery is pretty heavy at 75lbs. I also carry some tools and a spare prop with me along with an anchor and all of my fishing stuff.

Sure I won't put up a top number and may not ever reach triple digits, but that's really not what matters to me. With my current setup and a partner I can still run 90 easily going fishing.

A slow boat is like taking a moped to work ....sure you gonna get there, but man does it suck!

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 Re: 1.62 0r 1.75 gears in sportmaster (trashy) »8:52 AM 2/8/2010 Reply  Edit

That is what makes me happy: fishing at 90. When people ask me,"how fast were you going?" 88 sounds good, but 90 sounds alot better! The only time I have run my boat with nothing in it was the day that Kurt and I broke it in. When every thing is just right I can see 92 with my 28 quad 4 with me and my partner and our tackle.
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 Re: 1.62 0r 1.75 gears in sportmaster (BigTone,Ar.) »8:47 PM 2/8/2010 Reply  Edit

Well I'll tell you this much. The last time that I ran mine "fast" was a tournament a few weeks ago on a local lake. I had the same load that I described running a 31p TXP that is bone stock. If I recall correctly, my top speed after about a 3 or 4 mile run was around 87 @ like 5600 and change rpm's. I still had TONS of water pressure so I figure that I could have brought the plate up some more and gained both rpm and speed... if I needed to.

Like I said before, it all depends on what you want to do, and what your goal is. I haven't had too many problems propping my boat/motor combo with the 1.75 gears, other than getting the hole shot right. My main goal is to go fishing with a partner at 90 mph without having the motor struggle to do it.

My boat will go from just planing off to 80+ before I really start messing with the jackplate or the trim much. I touch the jackplate up a few times, and it almost feels like it shifts into another gear as it accelerates.

Will I post a huge top number with my load/gears? Probably not, but for me my boat is doing what I want it to do. I have never run my boat "light" and probably never will. The only time I took the trolling motor off was when I installed a new one (went from a 24v to a 36v).

A slow boat is like taking a moped to work ....sure you gonna get there, but man does it suck!

 


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