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 Need help with set up on my Bass Boat. Please Help.
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wvo4dieselfuel
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I have a 19' Stryker Bass Boat. 225 Mercury EFI. My water psi gauge want work. I can force air into hose and it will read but want read in water. Here is the specs on what I have now.

WOT 64mph GPS
WOT 5400rpm
26 pitch 4 blade Think it is a Yamaha prop 13.75'' diam. I know the hub slips! Needs new hub and edges are dinged bad.
6'' jack plate
1 MPG on good day
No rooster tail

I tried moving the motor up and the lower unit was warm to the touch so I moved it back down 1/2'' Now the lower unit is cool after long run. I want to switch to a 3 blade prop. Hoping to get better MPH and MPG. I was told by local prop shop I needed a 27 pitch 14.25'' diam. mercury prop, so I bought the prop from them. The boat fell flat on its face. 40mph and 6000rpm. So a friend let me try his 24p 3 blade 14.25 diam. 46mph and 5700rpm. Then I tried a 23p 3 blade same as the 24p. What should I do. I bought a compression tester and the compression is good on all cylinders 120psi. Any suggestions will be appreciated.

Modified by wvo4dieselfuel at 7:00 PM 2/8/2010



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I have read some head scratching setup questions before, this one might slide into the top spot.

Nothing you described made sense. Nothing....so let's try to get to a starting point and go from there.

"No roostertail" usually means your prop is buried in the water.

A 26 prop spinning 5400 rpms at 60 mph does not have a spun hub, I've never seen a "sorta" spun hub, it either is or it isn't. Then a 27 pitch prop spinning 6,000 rpms with "no" roostertail can't be going 40...Unless you've developed such a tremendous hook in the hull that nothing can save it.

Not having a water pressure gauge isn't helping, but..it's far from your problem here.

That is a skeeter splash hull, and should set up like a skeet, so use that as a basis, then you'll have something to work from.

Go to your prop guy...you want a: 26 Tempest. Known good prop. I assume you have a jack plate, if so, set your prop shaft at 3 1/2" under the pad. (NOTHING hanging off your pad like a transducer or speedo pickup). That should put you *at least* with a 4 second or so hole shot, somewhere around 5,900 rpms at low 70's. Minimum. Roostertail should be about motor cowling height at full trim, should have a good amount of bow lift, should want to walk some, should be fairly light and loose.

If your results are anything but that, come back and let us know what they are, it could be simple, or it could be disastrous.


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I only want to comment on the water pressure problem. When did you last change the impeller? If it is recent, then do this. Next time you have it in the water. With the engine running at about 1500 rpm,remove the hose from the back of the gauge and see if any water is coming out. If it is then connect the tube back and see if the gauge reads (without shutting off motor). If it does, then turn off motor. Let it set for about 2 minutes. Start motor and rev to 1500 again and check the gauge. If the gauge doesn't read, then the relief valve in the gauge isn't working. I use a large syringe and a clear tube on it and fill it with water and then press the water into the gauge to it's maximum psi. This sometimes fixes the gauge, otherwise, you need a new one.
If none of this works, then change the impeller.
One thing that can help with water gauge problems is to backflush the system. Get a fitting that has garden hose adapter on it and fit it to a fitting that will screw into the head. This may take several adapters ( I made mine with 3 adapters). Then backflush the heads. When done be sure to use sealing glue on the threads. Except the temperature sender.
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The reason I say the hub is spun is because there is black shavings of rubber or hard plastic when I removed the prop on the shaft. It is very clear it came from the hub, and I know you can't believe all prop shops but he told me that's what it was. You say a 26p tempest I tried a 27p laser 2. Exact numbers on prop is this quicksilver 48 16552 A40 27p brand new in box, had to purchase hub for it. Starts off just like the 4 blade 26p 13.75'' diam, just as the nose starts coming down and going on plain it blows the water out and just revs and 40mph is best it will do and 6000 RPM. I will do my best to find a tempest. Last summer I couldn't find a tempest to try. Prop shop want let me try one unless I pay full price for it, and if it has 1 scratch that can be seen it can't be returned. Should I stay with 13.75 diam or or what size should I go to on the tempest? I do have a 6'' jack. Nothing mounted on pad. Transducer is 1 step above the pad.

Thanks David
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I have not replaced the impeller yet. This will be the 3rd season using the boat. Motor pees really good. But I have an appointment to get it done later this week. I haven't tried using water but I will tonight or in the morning.

Thanks David
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Hey Pat also I don't know if this means anything or not but, when I am using the 4 blade prop if I am not trimmed all the way down it will not plane out. I don't mean close to all the way down I mean all the way down. The nose raises up and stays up.

Thanks David
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Ok David,
Let's drill down a little deeper, and find some paydirt....

Some hub residue happens, doesn't mean the hub is a gonner.

Laser is a turd prop, don't even think about it being equal to a tempest.

Transducer one step up is still able to disrupt water flow, especially on hole shot. Take it off, mount it inside the hull where it belongs.

Here's exactly what you're trying for...rpms in the 5,800 range, any more and the computer is kicking in lowering horsepower. You want the roostertail no higher than cowling. Bow should be high and loose, water straight back, nothing out the sides. Speed should be 70 ish.

Now, I can't help that you've got a jerk prop guy, that certainly doesn't help. But.. a tempest is the deal, you'll have to play with the PVS plugs to dial it in for holeshot. If it's slipping (like you described) then you'll need to cut down the vents, if it's bogging, then open them up.

Motor should be set with prop shaft 3 1/2" under pad, that will be really close, but could be tweaked from there.
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Transducer one step up is still able to disrupt water flow, especially on hole shot. Take it off, mount it inside the hull where it belongs.

I have the humminbird SI and I was told the through hull wasn't an option. I really appreciate your time and advise on this matter. I have found a tempest on ebay should I stay in the same diameter range or does that matter?


Thanks David
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Diameter is not the huge factor, it will dictate motor height a bit. Just be careful on ebay you aren't buying some worked over piece of garbage.

If that transducer hangs off the bottom, it can and will disrupt water flow, I'd take it off until you can get that rig running right.

Surely there is someone within range that's reading this can take some mercy on you and put an eyeball on your setup. Something just seems horribly wrong, mostly because of the results you're seeing.
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Thanks Pat, I wish someone would help me out. I am pulling my hair out trying to figure this out on my own. I have had only 1 person to offer help on setting the boat up right and he wanted $100.00 per hour, and it was the same prop shop i mentioned earlier. I can see giving someone cash to help out. But I just couldn't see doing that. So glad I found this site. Have learned a lot here. If anyone out there is willing to help who knows what to do let's go fishing. LOL
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I am going to take some pics tomorrow of the motor jack plate and height and pad. Will post tomorrow afternoon.

Thanks David

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David -

Get on the North Carolina club board and see if anyone is close by that can offer you another set of eyes for some help. It might be worth a try.

Good luck,

Joe

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Found a 27P tempest today picking it up tomorrow $250.00 found on Craigs list will let you know how the boat runs next week after I get boat back. Having the floors sprayed with bed liner.

Also I lowered the motor as low as it would go to the ground and tried to measure. On my boat you have the main bottom of the boat at the V and then there is a step up about 1' above that. I put a 4' level off the V on the bottom and held it level. Measured from top of level and it is around 7'' to center of prop. The level was just above the flat plate above the prop. I have the 6'' jack plate and it is almost all the way down I can take it up a bunch.

Thanks David Hiatt

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how far are u from spartanburg sc? i would be happy to take a look.
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I am off exit 68 in NC I85. So 68 miles north of the South Carolina line. I think about 100 miles from you. Would be glad to meet.

Thanks David

 


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